Welcome to MGAA Conversations, the latest addition to the podcast world, hosted by Mike Keating, CEO of the Managing General Agents Association. In this exciting new series, we delve into all things related to the rapidly expanding MGA (Managing General Agent) landscape. With a diverse array of guests from within the insurance industry and beyond, our aim is to explore the challenges, opportunities, and personalities shaping the MGA community. Expect engaging discussions with prominent figures in the industry, including CEOs and innovators, offering first-hand insights into the dynamics of the MGA market. From the future of distribution strategies, such as partnerships with brokers, to the impact of insurtech and AI on the industry, no topic is off-limits. Regulation is another key focus, as we navigate the evolving landscape of compliance and its implications for MGAs. Through candid conversations and expert analysis, MGAA Conversations aims to provide listeners with valuable perspectives on current issues and future trends affecting the MGA community. But it’s not all serious business – expect lively conversations, off-the-wall guests, and a touch of humour to keep things entertaining. We invite you to join us on this journey, share your feedback, and suggest topics and guests for future episodes. Don’t forget to subscribe to MGAA Conversations on your preferred platform so you never miss an episode. Thanks for listening!
Episodes
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
In this episode of MGAA Conversations, we are privileged to be speaking with Tara Foley, CEO at AXA UK and Ireland, our first Platinum annual sponsor.
Tara notes the importance and mutually beneficial nature of our partnership, such as AXA’s climate training initiative which is available to all MGAA members. Indeed, she suggests that such training will become increasingly crucial as our industry navigates the major challenges facing the world today: climate change, AI and cybercrime. Tara argues that such training, amongst other initiatives, will be key to attracting and retaining new talent. To more confidently wage the war for talent, we must also highlight how universal and purposeful our industry is.
A career in insurance promises to be fulfilling and purposeful, contrary to the grey, stuffy image which our industry continues to project to the uninitiated. As we strive to recruit future industry leaders, we must first confront and dismantle this presiding collective preconception.
Furthermore, individual organisations must consider how they can become ‘destination workplaces’, by curating new training opportunities, alongside additional benefits to meet the expectations that new generations of workers expect of their employers. Tara also dissects emerging fears that Gen AI will soon replace many insurance careers. She suggests that it will be deployed as an enabler rather than an end in itself, automating bureaucratic tasks and enabling the workforce to strengthen service capacities and maintain or grow their business partnerships.
Quote:
“We're all concerned with what forces shape the nature of the risks that we're looking at today: climate change, AI, cyber. All of the big issues that society is facing, are issues that we need people to be actively involved with. And the endgame of all of this is we show up for people when they really need us, when they’re vulnerable. So, to me, [insurance is] an industry that offers a very empathetic career path. It's got the full spectrum. If you want to be challenged intellectually, there's plenty of that. If you want to be very people-focused, there's plenty of that. I just think we've got to get better at how we explain that.”
“We [AXA UK and Ireland] can't be specialists in everything, and we don't want to be. We get a lot of capability by partnering with members of the MGAA organization. We've got long and successful histories of that. I think we learn from each other. We can provide things to members of your organization that you don't have and, and vice versa. So, it's a very complementary, symbiotic relationship that we have.”
Resources:
AXA UK – https://www.axa.co.uk/
AXA Climate School – https://axaclimateschool.com/
About the Guest:
Tara Foley is the Chief Executive Officer of AXA UK and Ireland, appointed in September 2023. She has previously worked in managerial roles at Lloyds Banking Group and Deutsche Bank.
Tara’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tara-foley-56327212/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Welcome to the latest episode of MGAA Conversations, in which we are delighted to be speaking with Rob Gibbs, President and CEO of SiriusPoint International.
Rob offers a glowing overview of the current state of the MGA market. He is highly confident that its current vibrancy and buoyancy will continue, as firms invest in new technologies and reap the benefits of new talent and expertise entering the market.
At SiriusPoint, Rob is keen to ‘redefine the rules of partnership’ with MGAs, asserting that a deep and broad partnership beyond pure underwriting, which provides individualised support and control to firms, will soon become the model that all successful carriers will move towards. To this end, he has created ‘centres of excellence’ in both the UK and Stockholm to serve the international MGA space. He notes that, due to value proposition coming to the forefront of MGA activities, and new talent joining the market, the general professionalism of the sector has never been higher. While some raise concerns regarding the (dis)proportionate nature of regulatory pressures, Rob suggests that the FCA’s standards are unlikely to continue rising at the rate of the past decade. Furthermore, he argues that if MGAs continue to invest in new technology and data analysis, they will more comfortably be able to satisfy customer needs in accordance with the FCA’s demands, which, too, are transitioning to a data-led approach.
Quote:
“I think [MGAs now are] less about volume and more about value. A lot of the research that I've done says that customers in the international space are less focused on brand. They're more focused on proposition and value of that proposition.”
“I think we've got this unique mix of value proposition coming to the fore, talent joining the MGA market and [new] trends around investment, which means that I think the sector will continue to grow and continue to deliver.”
Resources:
Clyde & Co MGA Opinion Report 2023 – https://www.clydeco.com/en/reports/2023/07/mga-opinion-report-2023
SiriusPoint International – https://www.siriuspt.com/
About the Guest:
Rob Gibbs is the President and CEO of SiriusPoint International, having joined the company in December 2022. He previously worked in various underwriting and management positions with RSA.
Rob’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-gibbs-2658a92a/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Sep 30, 2024
Monday Sep 30, 2024
In this episode, we are very pleased to be speaking with Claire Russell, founder of Mental Health in Business, about the importance of implementing wellbeing initiatives to positively reshape workplace culture.
Whilst in recent years, the proliferation of awareness regarding the need for mental health support has undoubtedly had a positive impact on businesses, there remains a risk that it could become merely a box-ticking exercise. Claire argues that it is crucial for businesses to foster an environment in which employees would genuinely feel comfortable raising their hand and asking for support when they need it. The challenge regarding the need for a change in the conversation is amplified by the contrasting attitudes toward mental health across generations. Amongst some older industry professionals there is often an attitude that personal problems should be left at the door. This conflicts with the expectations and interests of younger industry professionals who consider the need for mental health support as urgent and fundamental. Bridging this generational gap is key, and can only occur if the discussion about mental health support in the workplace is embraced and reinforced from the top down.
There is also a powerful business case for such initiatives. In the UK, the cost of poor mental health by headcount for businesses is £3.5-4k per person per year; and in the insurance industry, the number is closer to £4.5k. As such, by investing wisely into meaningful mental health initiatives, businesses can achieve a significant return on investment, in addition to fostering a more supportive and encouraging work environment.
To this end, the MGAA is delighted to be partnering with the MHIB to provide an array of tools and resources to members. This includes regional courses and workshops running throughout the year, and four quarterly webinars examining current issues relating to mental health. These provisions will be expanded in accordance with member demand.
Quote:
“Six years ago, when we started this business, in a lot of the conversations that I was having with leaders of businesses, I was really having to make a business case for them to invest in workplace mental health and wellbeing. The conversation has changed a little bit now. It's not so much that business owners or leaders in the main need to be persuaded of that. It's more that they really need to look at what they're doing and make sure that that what they're doing is wise, and that they're putting in place initiatives and programs that are really meaningful.”
“There are attitudes and beliefs that are held by [certain] people that we should be able to be resilient, and dust ourselves off, and leave our problems outside of the door. I understand where those attitudes come from. That's the attitude that I was surrounded by when I was in the early stages of my career. So I get it. But then if you look at the younger people who are coming into the industry now, our future industry leaders, they are bringing a very different perspective. They have very different requirements [and] views around mental health. So, there can exist something of a generation gap.”
Resources:
MGAA - https://www.mgaa.co.uk/
Mental Health in Business - https://mhib.co.uk/
About the Guest:
Claire Russell is the Founder of Mental Health in Business, which she launched 6 years ago. Having previously worked in a number of insurance brokerages, after undergoing a mental health crisis Claire became interested in driving change around wellbeing support in the workplace.
Claire’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-russell-business/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Sep 16, 2024
Monday Sep 16, 2024
With the Bank of England’s recent lowering of interest rates, and the settling of rates in the US, M&A activity across the Atlantic is likely to amplify.
In this episode, we are thrilled to be speaking with Kevin Donoghue, Managing Director of Mystic Capital Advisors, about the stabilisation of the M&A environment and the various opportunities that are likely to emerge as a result. He notes that there is a significant appetite from American firms in London-based MGAs and Lloyds brokers. Similarly, several Lloyds brokers are looking to acquire program administrators in the US to expand their beachhead.
Kevin suggests that there is also a very encouraging increase in interest from the EU into UK firms, and vice versa, and between the EU and the US. He attributes these renewed acquisitions dialogues to events such as the recent MGAA Conference, facilitating cross-border conversations. The upcoming US presidential election is also set to stimulate M&A activity, irrespective of which party ultimately reigns victorious. The Democrats’ proposed raise in capital gains rates, and the Republicans’ elimination of taxes on tips and on social security payments, would both lead to considerable and dramatic business activity in the London market.
Thus, whatever the outcome, new opportunities in the UK will emerge.
Quotes:
"As the M&A environment goes, so we focus on the US and London, and the two markets have been somewhat, consistently active. The US last year and probably the past 18 months has been a bit of a slower pace of M&A activity than, say, the previous 36 months going into that.
And that is a function of rising interest rates, but with the interest rate environment here and in London, with the Bank of England lowering rates yesterday, M&A activity has started to pick up again. More deals are getting done, there's more, focus on, a controlled interest rate environment versus where are rates going. Are they going up, going down.
Whenever that happens, people kind of tend to slow down M&A activity. But now it's a little bit more controlled, a little bit more predictable. So I would expect over the next 18 months, M&A activity will continue to pick up both in London and in the US. And we're seeing that deal activity right now" – Kevin Donoghue
Resources:
MGAA - https://www.mgaa.co.uk/
Mystic Capital - https://www.mysticcapital.com/
About the Guest:
Kevin Donoghue is the Managing Director of Mystic Capital Advisors, a US-based firm focused on mergers, acquisitions and affiliated services in the insurance industry.
Kevin’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-patrick-donoghue-6833783/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Aug 19, 2024
Monday Aug 19, 2024
In this episode, we are thrilled to be speaking with Richard Garry, Chief Commercial Officer of Gamma Risk, about the company’s exciting location-based, risk-reducing data solutions.
Given the influx of new technologies and software into the insurance market in recent years, Richard notes the importance of recognising that the value rests not in the tech as an entity in itself, but as a conduit to cultivating better data, and therefore enabling better decision-making. This data, meanwhile, must always be extrapolated from a wide range of reliable sources. Given the uncertainties presented by climate change, for example, data will soon need to be deployed within predictive models to generate risk assessments, which can no longer purely rely on historical data.
This accelerated interest in new data approaches has and will continue to draw attention from the regulatory authorities, and the onus is on trade organisations such as the MGAA to communicate the different views of their members regarding the unforeseen consequences of any new rules. Richard also discusses how Gamma Risk successfully cultivates and retains talent. He shares insights regarding light-handed executive oversight and flexible work options from which our industry could perhaps take notes as we tackle the burgeoning recruitment crisis.
Quote:
“There is constant chatter about new tech, whether that's AI, which is the hot topic at the moment, or all the things that are out there. They're always going to be the ‘game changer’. Sometimes, so many of these bright, sparkly things to get excited about can be distracting to the day-to-day business. Saying that, we always view it as, ‘technology is just an enabler for the data that allows someone to make a decision’. It's really the data that's the most important thing.”
Resources:
MGAA - mgaa.co.uk
Gamma Risk - gammarisk.co.uk
About the Guest:
Richard Garry is the Chief Commercial Officer at Gamma Risk. Gamma is a location intelligence solutions provider which deploys data science and software to build solutions to reduce geographical risks such as floods, storms, and subsidence.
Richard’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardgarry/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Jul 22, 2024
Monday Jul 22, 2024
In this episode of MGAA Conversations, host Mike Keating interviews Michelle Taylor, Director of Strategic Accounts at Aviva. Michelle discusses her role in maintaining and expanding strategic relationships, her transition back to Aviva from Zurich, and the changing landscape within the organisation. She highlights the importance of responsiveness, visibility, and execution in delivering excellent broker service. Additionally, Michelle touches on the evolving market dynamics involving MGAs, their growing significance, and the need for collaboration to enhance service delivery. She also shares valuable advice for women in the insurance industry, emphasising the importance of building a network, being authentic, and continuously learning.
Key Quote
"Be comfortable with what your skills are, what your strength is and get somebody to tell you what they think they are. Because sometimes you won't know what they are. Or they're things that you think you're not very good at. Someone's going to tell you you're amazing at. So, I think asking for feedback and Dave's probably been great in that. He's probably made me do different changes in my career that I didn't even know I wanted to do." Michelle Taylor
Quotes
“So okay, have we got this right? So, our strategies, we need to be visible, we need to be responsive, and we need to execute. It's really simple. But what we've done is we're not just saying that we've got actions behind each of those headings, right? So, for us, what does visibility really look like? What does it mean? So, for us, is that face to face?” Michelle Taylor
“It's all great having a strategy, but we've got really clear actions that we measure, and we monitor.” Michelle Taylor
“Just get comfortable with yourself, right? Knowing who you are, being really self-aware, getting comfortable who it is, and just turn up and be that person every day. And don't let anybody say you need to be somebody else.” Michelle Taylor
“So being brave, being yourself, being authentic, asking for help, having a network and. Having a conversation. I think we have a part to play in making this, everybody know this could be a fantastic career. And I will literally speak to any women who wants to have a chat with me about how I did it, how I can help them.” Michelle Taylor
Resources:
https://connect.avivab2b.co.uk/broker/
About the Guest
Michelle Taylor is the Director of Strategic Accounts at Aviva, one of the UK's largest insurance companies. She has recently returned to Aviva after what she jokingly calls a "10-year sabbatical" working elsewhere in the industry, including a stint at Zurich.
Michelle is passionate about implementing Aviva's strategy of being visible, responsive, and executing flawlessly in their broker relationships as well as developing new propositions for Aviva's strategic broker relationships.
Michell is an experienced leader who is committed to improving the insurance industry, particularly in areas of service, relationships, and diversity.
Michelle’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-taylor-8a96084/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Mike's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
Monday Jun 17, 2024
Monday Jun 17, 2024
In this episode, we are thrilled to be speaking with Mark McIlquham, President of Acrisure UK Retail. Mark gives a forensic insight into the infrastructure of the Acrisure Group, its global broking operations, and its role in the M&A insurance landscape. Having been involved in Acrisure’s recent acquisition and rebrand of the Eleven Network, Mark explains why networks provide a fantastic opportunity for brokers to receive regulatory support and greater access to new markets. He counters the notion that there are too many barriers for new small brokers to establish themselves, citing networks as an empowering means for brokers to take charge of their own businesses, and for the broader industry to regenerate itself. Mark is sceptical of the supposition that new compliance measures stifle brokers’ opportunities to innovate, and that these constraints can ultimately be beneficial, noting that ‘regulation isn’t a necessary evil, it’s just necessary’. Furthermore, Mark discusses the buoyancy of the MGA market, and the prospect that MGAs may eventually supersede mainstream insurers in servicing small brokers.
Quote:
“We think there's a really, really good opportunity for small brokers that are either part of our network or are just part of an Acrisure ecosystem that are not getting the service that they want from the compensate insurers, or haven't got agencies with the right insurers, to use our MGAs. Therefore, the vision that I've got is that we will have a, an ecosystem of high-quality brokers, some that we own, some that are a part of our network, and some that are third-party brokers, that have all got the opportunity to use our MGAs.”
“If someone is a member of a network, there's nothing stopping people being innovative. I look at some of the really innovative stuff our network members are doing. Obviously, we need to sign it off and understand it and approve it, etc. But that's the whole point of being in the network. We can help them with that, we can help them do it in a controlled way, we can help them with their markets, with their compliance, with their infrastructure. And obviously, the infrastructure is there for them to use and to tap into. I think, if people are and trying to [navigate regulation] on their own; one, I think they're mad, and two, I think that the burden of the cost would stifle innovation. But if you're in a network, I don't think it does.”
Resources:
MGAA - https://www.mgaa.co.uk/
Acrisure – https://www.acrisure.com/
Eleven Network – https://eleven-network.co.uk/homepage/
About the Guest:
Mark McIlquham is the President of Acrisure UK Retail. Acrisure is the sixth largest broker in the world, controlling $30bn USD of premium, with operations in 22 countries, and around 1000 acquisitions of brokers globally.
Mark’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-mcilquham-46a6721/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.
Monday May 20, 2024
Monday May 20, 2024
In this episode, we are delighted to be speaking with Stuart Reid, Chairman of Partners& and PIKL, whose illustrious insurance career makes him well-suited to discuss the current state of the broking market and its relationship with MGAs.
Stuart notes that the service provision from insurers is currently lacking, with MGAs fulfilling brokers’ need which they cannot find elsewhere. He argues that for insurers and MGAs alike, it is paramount to make things easier for the broker as and where possible, and doing so provides a significant opportunity for further partnership.
He predicts that in a few years’ time, brokers and MGAs owning capacity from insurers may become an increasingly common trend. Additionally, Stuart discusses the power of trade associations such as the MGAA in articulating the needs of individual organisations who cannot resist the regulator, for example, alone. It is essential that we continue to secure equitable regulation from the FCA, as a highly regulated industry, and trade associations are crucial in spearheading that conversation.
Quote:
“Brokers understandably want their job made easy. They're busy people, [if] you make the job easier for the broker, let me tell you, you'll be a damn sight more successful. And sometimes I think that gets forgotten a little bit. These brokers are under a tremendous amount of pressure. We've had a tremendous amount of changes, a huge amount of a regulatory burden. Clients are finding it tough to pay the extra premiums, there's lots of competition. There's lots of consolidation, so you've got bigger ones coming in for smaller. So do what you say, do it right first time, be quick, and make the make the job easier for the broker.”
“The importance of those trade bodies has become even more relevant in these days of the FCA regulating by information rather than site visit.”
Resources:
MGAA - https://www.mgaa.co.uk/
Briefing: Who are the valuable organisations in our industry?
About the Guest:
Stuart Reid is the Chairman of Partners& and PIKL. He’s also a non-executive director of Harbour Underwriting Limited, and was recently appointed as a non-exec director of Qlaims Limited.
Stuart’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuart-reid-a9500379/
About the Host:
Mike's extensive expertise in the insurance sector has allowed him to witness and adapt to the dynamic shifts within the industry. Throughout his 40 year career, he has navigated the traditional realms of insurers, brokers, and MGAs (Managing General Agents) across both Commercial and Personal Lines markets.
He has held Executive positions at AXA, Midas, UK General and most recently Insurtech start up Qlaims before becoming Chief Executive Officer at the MGAA in September 2020.
Mike is excited about the new MGAA podcast series, which aims to showcase key figures in the UK insurance industry and beyond, providing insight into the challenges and opportunities that the MGA industry encounters.